Kai, Tom, Daniel, Aaron

• [17:16] <dgarijo> Kai: summary of the w3c f2f meeting discussions
• [17:21] <dgarijo> Kai: as a summary, the w3c Prov group wants to support “scruffy provenance”, and simplify the model.
• [17:21] <dgarijo> Tom: agrees, in fact some of the comments I did to the model was about that respect.
• [17:21] <dgarijo> Kai: some of the discussions were similar to the ones taken place in Dc
• [17:23] <dgarijo> Kai: the new way of “understanding” is the ontology
• [17:23] <dgarijo> Kai: in DCAM we could do the same thing
• [17:24] <dgarijo> … start with the ontology, then the spec documents
• [17:25] <dgarijo> … new activity: mapping between prov-o and DC/ Dcterms
• [17:25] <dgarijo> … Kai and Daniel involved in this task
• [17:35] <dgarijo> Kai: we can include the metadata provenace model in the mapping task,
• [17:36] <dgarijo> Kai: however there are still tasks remaining to do about metadata provenance (use cases, new properties, etc.)
• [17:37] <dgarijo> … with the mapping task we could address part of this, since they have all the use cases.
• [17:37] <dgarijo> … proposes beweekly DCAM telecons
• [17:41] <dgarijo> Aaron: question about the mapping: Is it a 1 to one mapping?
• [17:42] <dgarijo> Kai: from the prov working group they are very open to the result of this work
• [17:43] <dgarijo> Kai: I'd like to have some implementations also.
• [17:45] <dgarijo> Kai: Dc is designed more as a scruffy provenance than proper provenance
• [17:45] <dgarijo> … for real applications that is what is most commonly used
• [17:46] <dgarijo> Tom: loves the difference between scruffy and proper
• [17:48] <dgarijo> … people who use the standards have a much more complex view of the world (i.e., in FRBR people have manifestations, expressions, etc).
• [17:48] <dgarijo> … if you have a complicated model you need to have this scruffy model interoperability
• [17:49] <dgarijo> … because of the interpretations made by people over the same model.
• [17:49] <dgarijo> … in practice is what works better.
• [17:50] <dgarijo> … a lot of people is “inspired” by teh complex model in order to achieve something more simple. Why not support it directly=
• [17:50] <dgarijo> ?
• [17:51] <dgarijo> Aaron: as an implementer I often want to say simple things, with the flexibility of making these complex statements.
• [17:51] <dgarijo> … allowing to scale
• [17:52] <dgarijo> … blcack and white world view does not work well
• [17:52] <dgarijo> Tom: agrees.
• [18:00] <dgarijo> Tom: for the mapping we could reuse part of the work done to scehma.org
• [18:00] <dgarijo> … the stability of the mappings is not as good as the one of the dcterms
• [18:00] <kai_> Tom: Create process to publish mappings, together with schema.org TG
• [18:02] <rubinsztajn> You can find the repository here: https://github.com/dcmi
• [18:02] <kai_> Just found it